IntellectualWarfare1 wrote:
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But bro, aren't the Zani and the Zaniyyah the people who have pre-marital sex?
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IntellectualWarfare1 wrote:
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Because I believe that the hadiths also say that a fornicator must be whipped in public whilst the adulterer (which is different from a fornicator) is stoned to death in public.
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IntellectualWarfare1 wrote:
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Adultery is when you cheat on your wife
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IntellectualWarfare1 wrote:
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Fornication is when you have pre-marital sex.
Salam
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maysuma wrote:
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Please remember that the world of Muslims are not my sect. The majority of Muslims in the world are Sunni and their beleifs are different. And even there are different schools in the Shia sect as well which may beleive different things. When I speak, I speak from where my sect stands on these issues.
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maysuma wrote:
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I do not know if you have visited Pakistan, but I have had the pleasure. Pakistan has a large Wahabi population. These are the brilliant minds who beleive that by killing a Shia, you are promised paradise. I have a family member who was forced to leave Karachi because he was a reputable Shia doctor. Because of this, a Wahabi sniper sat in a tree outside his door and was shooting at the house, waiting for someone to come out. Luckily, no one was killed and he fled Karachi to live here.
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maysuma wrote:
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It would appear I have made another mistake (my thanks to the person who brought it to my attention). I am NOT a sunni... I am a Shia of Ali. That is the reason I use Imam Ali ibn abi Talib in many of my points and examples. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
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maysuma wrote:
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To your first paragraph... Prophet Muhammad said the Quran must be taken in accord to how he and the Imam's act. Before he died, he clearly said: I leave two things for you, the Quran and the Ahlul Bayt. Hold onto them and you shall never go astray.
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maysuma wrote:
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There are a few points one must examine when bringing forth these verses to me. Firstly, who was this Ursa who narrated these verses? Secondly, who was Ayesha? Thirdly, what happened in the Battle of Jamal and how does it relate to the different sects in Islam?
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maysuma wrote:
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Aisha herself narrates most of the lines you give. You cannot take her word because she is directly involved. She would benefit from marrying the Prophet at a very young age because her status would be raised.
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maysuma wrote:
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Imagine, Fatima was brought up in the house of the Prophet and she became known as one of the 5 women promised paradise. She represents the apex of spirituality for women in Islam. Aisha also would want a title like that wouldn?????????????????????¢??t she? This same Aisha who insulted the Prophet of Allah on many occasions.
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maysuma wrote:
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Whenever Muhammad would visit the house of his wife Zainab, she would make him a honey drink. Muhammad really liked this honey drink but Aisha and Hafsa were both jealous of it; why did he enjoy her drink so much but not their own. Aisha devised a plot.
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maysuma wrote:
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She knew that the Holy Prophet disliked unpleasant smells, so when he came back from Zainab?????????????????????¢??s house, she held her nose and accused him of eating maghafir (a nauseating herb). He replied that I have only had honey, and she said that ?????????????????????¢??the bees had fed on maghafir.?????????????????????¢?????????????????????? She told Hafsa to talk in this manner to the Prophet as well.
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maysuma wrote:
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Now we must come and examine the battle of Jamal in relation to the different sects of Islam. The Shia?????????????????????¢??s are those who believe Imam Ali was the rightful successor to the Holy Prophet and the Sunni are those who believe that Abu Bakr, Umar, and Uthman are the first three rightful caliphs after Muhammad and then they add Ali in there.
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maysuma wrote:
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Talha and Zubayr both nominated Abu Bakr as the caliph (nominated as though Muhammad has already not made it clear enough). So they were always against Ali. Aisha had many times when Ali would be placed above her, which she obviously did not like. There was one incident where Muhammad gather Ali, Fatima, Hassan and Hussein around him and said ?????????????????????¢??Oh Allah, these are my Ahlul Bayt. Keep off impurity from them.?????????????????????¢?????????????????????? Aisha asked Muhammad, am I not part of this group and Muhammad said no.
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maysuma wrote:
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As I have shown before, Aisha was a person who would become very jealous. In another incident, on Muhammad?????????????????????¢??s day with Aisha, Ali came by and began speaking with Muhammad. Aisha stormed into the room and said, Ali! I only get a little bit of time with him, can you please leave us alone! Muhammad looked at her and said, Ayesha, do not ever yell at Ali for whoever displeases him, displeases me. And whoever displeases me, displeases Allah.
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maysuma wrote:
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All three caliphs were jealous of two things in common. Something Ali had which none of the rest of them were given. Firstly, Ali was given the position of Flag Bearer in the battle of Khayber. All the followers of Muhammad were asking for the honor but it was awarded to Ali who brought victory when no one else could. The second, was that Muhammad had said, Ali, you are to me like Aaron was to Moses. This jealousy was then passed on to Aisha who unleashed an army upon Ali in the battle of Jamal.
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maysuma wrote:
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On one side of the army, you had Imam Ali (the caliph at the time) and Ammar bin Yasir, whereas on the other side, you had Aisha, Talha and Zubayr. Talha and Zubayr were both gunning for the position of caliph; they both wanted to replace Ali as the Caliph of the Muslims. Also, the reason they joined Aisha is because when Ali became Caliphate, he removed people like al-Walid bin Uqbah and his kind who were placed there by the previous caliphs.
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maysuma wrote:
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These people were removed because they were more focused on bringing in wealth and power rather than increasing the spirituality of the people. Talha and Zubayr liked these people because they made them rich. They resented Ali for removing them. Aisha has a long-standing feud with Ali that stemmed from the Holy Prophet paying more attention to him than to her. Now tell me, if Rasulullah placed Ali on a greater level than Aisha, who do you think is greater?
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maysuma wrote:
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Ali shows why Muhammad named him his successor many times. One of which is when during the Battle of Jamal, a man comes to the army of Ali and asks, where is the Imam? They ask him why have you come; he replied I have a question for him. They asked what is the question, he said I want to ask him why he believes God is one. Now if this were any normal person, we would have said at the very least, go away and come back when the battle is over but Ali called the man and explained to him why his beliefs were so. The followers of Ali are the people that the Shia find credible. Those who lived by his message.
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maysuma wrote:
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Therefore, when you come and bring me verses from the ?????????????????????¢??Sahih?????????????????????¢?????????????????????? of Bukhari and Muslim, look at who said the verses first. Ayesha would want to have Muhammad ask for her hand in marriage because it would elevate her status.
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maysuma wrote:
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Many Sunni?????????????????????¢??s call her the mother of the believers because they believe that she is the greatest wife of Rasulullah. However, someone who is jealous of the other wives, someone who fights the self of Rasulullah (Imam Ali) cannot be considered a credible source of information.
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maysuma wrote:
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Furthermore, the words of Ursa ibn Zubayr can also not be trusted because they were the ones who nominated Abu Bakr as the ?????????????????????¢??rightful?????????????????????¢?????????????????????? caliph after the passing of Muhammad. They would also seek to elevate his status and how high must you be if Muhammad asks to marry your daughter. This is an area of much dispute between Shia and Sunni schools of thought and therefore, if you wish to argue with a Shia, it is only common sense that you bring me Shia sources, especially when the Sunni sources you bring contradict each other.
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What can I say man, well, nothing but Jerry Springer crap by a coonfused woman
Salam
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