All_Brains wrote:
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Cool.....Let's move on from here, as anyway you believe that chopping of the hands was never intended by Allah and it's mis-interpretation by the majority of the muslim world...Tha's good enough for me....
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All_Brains wrote:
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No Chopping off hands in Islam....is what we should be preaching now!
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All_Brains wrote:
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Now, another topic for us to discuss....Paradise in Islam....
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All_Brains wrote:
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What's with the honey, milk, fruit, meat, Alcohol, virgins, young boys, silk and gold???
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All_Brains wrote:
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Very material and physical for my money...
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All_Brains wrote:
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Some of them are even haram on earth!!!
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All_Brains wrote:
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Is this Allah's view of heaven....
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All_Brains wrote:
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I can see how would this attract a simple bedouin man 1400 years ago, where dates were the stable diet and sex with virgins was the ultimate happiness....
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But now try a modern 21 century man and try to lure him with the above...first thing he'll tell you, but all the above are available in this very life from the corner milk bar (aussie for a grocery shop), local pub and pattaya, Thailand!
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Notice here that I haven't mentioned women, as it seems that Allah forgot about them often, when talking about paradise....
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All_Brains wrote:
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Let's face it ....If you convert the man in incient Arabia, you have very much converted the woman too....very shrewd!
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All_Brains wrote:
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Ok....one thing at the time....Sex in paradise with virgins and young boys!
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All_Brains wrote:
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In Surah 44, Muhammad first describes the hell quite vividly.
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After giving this dreadful description of the hell and the tortures preferred by Allah the Prophet promises lots of goodies to those who became Muslims.
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54 Thus (shall it be), and We will wed them with Houris pure, beautiful ones.
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All_Brains wrote:
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In Surah 52 there is another description of the heaven and hell:
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20 Reclining on thrones set in lines, and We will unite them to large-eyed beautiful ones.
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All_Brains wrote:
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Amazingly this paradise promised by the holy prophet satisfies even the pedophiles.
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24 And round them shall go boys of theirs as if they were hidden pearls.
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All_Brains wrote:
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Also in Surah 76:19 Allah promises fresh youths to Muslim men.
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And round about them shall go youths never altering in age; when you see them you will think them to be scattered pearls.
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All_Brains wrote:
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Again in Surah 56 the Prophet gives the glad tidings of the paradise to his followers and says:
67 In them are goodly things, beautiful ones.
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69 Pure ones confined to the pavilions.
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In Surah 56 , there is promise of houris as well as youths that never age for the gratification of Muslim men.
17 Round about them shall go youths never altering in age,
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All_Brains wrote:
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22 And pure, beautiful ones,
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Again bro, NO SEX MENTIONED
And AGAIN BRO, WOULD YOU PREFER THEM FILTHY AND UGLY?
Take care
- Thu 23 Nov, 2006 10:53 pm
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Hello All_Brains
Was last brain storming session a bit tough?, I hope you are doing great mate, let????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢s now start the next brain storming session:
Firstly you have to agree that the toughest punishment of all punishments is to put someone to death ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????capital punishment????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????, the Quran only allows the capital punishment if someone killed another for no reason, which makes great sense, this is actually the same divine law in the Bible, an eye or an eye and a soul for a soul, the hadith also complies with this divine law. As you may know that capital punsishment in the Quran has been given restrict provisions to let the murderer walk free and forgiven.
As far as I believe the next two toughest punishments for breaking the laws on earth must be:
1) Cutting the hand of thieves (assuming that I got it wrong and my first explanation is wrong, I conceded that it is doubtful as you know, therefore me as an intelligent man should consider that it may actually mean to cut of the hand of thieves literally)
2) 100 lashes to the adulterers in public
Let me bring the two verses again that state the above two laws:
Let's start with 24:2, the punishment of the adulterers:
The adulterer and the adulteress, scourge ye each one of them (with) a hundred stripes. And let not pity for the twain withhold you from obedience to Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day. And let a party of believers witness their punishment.
[The Quran ; 24:2]
الزَّانِيَةُ وَالزَّانِي فَاجْلِدُوا كُلَّ وَاحِدٍ مِّنْهُمَا مِئَةَ جَلْدَةٍ وَلَا تَأْخُذْكُم بِهِمَا رَأْفَةٌ فِي دِينِ اللَّهِ إِن كُنتُمْ تُؤْمِنُونَ بِاللَّهِ وَالْيَوْمِ الْآخِرِ وَلْيَشْهَدْ عَذَابَهُمَا طَائِفَةٌ مِّنَ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ (2)
-> I agreed earlier that lashing a human 100 lashes is a horrific punsishment, I myself will show compassion and possibly can????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢t do it, however if I????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢m one of Allah law enforcers on earth then 24:2 is warning me ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????NOT TO SHOW ANY COMPASSION AND THE PUNISHMENT MUST BE EXECUTED :????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬???????????????????????????? وَلَا تَأْخُذْكُم بِهِمَا رَأْفَةٌ فِي دِينِ اللَّهِ إِن كُنتُمْ تُؤْمِنُونَ بِاللَّهِ وَالْيَوْمِ الْآخِرِ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????, ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬???????? And let not pity for the twain withhold you from obedience to Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????
Now let????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢s look at the more horrific punishment of cutting the hands of thieves I will not include 5:39 in my argument this time:
38: And (as for) the man who steals and the woman who steals, cut off their hands as a punishment for what they have earned, an exemplary punishment from Allah; and Allah is Mighty, Wise.
[The Quran ; 5:38]
وَالسَّارِقُ وَالسَّارِقَةُ فَاقْطَعُواْ أَيْدِيَهُمَا جَزَاء بِمَا كَسَبَا نَكَالاً مِّنَ اللّهِ وَاللّهُ عَزِيزٌ حَكِيمٌ (38)
-> See, there is no warning of showing pity to the thieves, i.e. we can show compassion to the thieves and reach a reasonable solution to help the thief to beat the habit and become a reformed human, for example we can hold the thief in custody after telling him/her that we will show compassion and not cut his/her hands if he/she repents and reforms, in this case a program of rehabilitating the thief can be offered to them during the custodial period, the bottom line is this:
A malice thief who ignores the many times of compassion offered and insist son stealing the possessions of other innocent humans must have his hand cut according to 5:38, if there is any reason that forced the thieves to commit theft then compassion must be offered to them and a chance to repent and reform should be given to them
It sounds a fair law to me indeed, unlike the current laws that will kill you if you are a victim to drugs and was forced by others to smuggle a few grams of drugs through international airports, then you get caught and killed, you are an aussie, here is a few movies to remind you with your current flawed western laws that kill innocent people who were victims from the first place:
Killing an innocent young man 1
Killing an innocent young man 2
Killing an innocent young man 3
Under islamic laws, this innocent young man would have been let free
Salam
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